Mr. Osborne said, “Bhagavan, last evening Nuna (i.e. his daughter about four years old) told us, ‘Dr. Syed is my best friend in the world.’ Thereupon we asked her, ‘What about Bhagavan? and she replied, ‘Bhagavan is not in the world’.”
Bhagavan was surprised at this remark of the child and involuntarily his finger rose to his nose and, holding it there, he said, “What a sage remark for a child to make! Even great men cannot understand what that remark means. They ought to have asked her, ‘Where else is
Bhagavan, if not in the world’?” Thereupon Mr. Osborne said, “Yes. We did ask her. She said, ‘Bhagavan is out of the world’.”
Dr. Syed asked Bhagavan, “Does not total or complete surrender require that one should not have left in him the desire even for liberation or God?”
Bhagavan: Complete surrender does require that you have no desire of your own, that God’s desire alone is your desire and that you have no desire of your own.
Dr. Syed: Now that I am satisfied on that point, I want to know what are the steps by which I could achieve surrender.
Bhagavan: There are two ways; one is looking into the source of ‘I’ and merging into that source. The other is feeling I am helpless by myself, God alone is all-powerful and except throwing myself completely on him, there is no other means of safety for me,” and thus gradually developing the conviction that God alone exists and the ego does not count. Both methods lead to the same goal. Complete surrender is another name for jnana or liberation.