Dr. Haribhai M. Adalja was a disciple of Swami Madhavatirtha (no. 51).
In 1946, I went to Sri Ramanasramam for Bhagavan’s darshan. Devotees were seated in the hall in front of Bhagavan. I wrote a chit and placed it before Bhagavan, stating, “I feel I have the experience of the Self, but my mind does not agree with that.” After reading it, Bhagavan ordered a copy of Ulladu Narpadu, turned to verse 33 therein, and asked someone to show it to me. It read, “To speak I have not known myself or I have come to know myself is ridiculous. What? Are there two selves, one to objectify the other? The experience for all is that the Self is only One.”
A year later, when I was coming down the Arunachala Hill and Bhagavan was going up the narrow path, I stepped aside to give him room to go and stood with closed eyes and folded hands.When Bhagavan came near me, to my utter surprise, he asked, “Do you still find two?“
Once I asked Bhagavan, “If waking and dream states are not different, can a man realise his Self in the dream state?” He replied, “First realise the Self in the waking state and then raise the question.“
Bhagavan was quoting an example of the relation of gold with the ornaments, that only gold is real, while the name and form of gold appearing as ornaments are unreal. I raised a query, “Though the ornament is false, we see gold and also the ornament which is false, which is not the case with the world, i.e.,when we see the world in numerous forms we do not see the Reality, the substratum.” Bhagavan explained, “In dream there is no world, and yet you see it just as in the waking state. Both name and form are illusions; you see them only when you see yourself in form and identify yourself with the ego sense.“